Martini henry paper patch bullets

Sniderenfield and pattern enfield moulds 590620fbss for the modern fasttwist. It first entered service in 1871, eventually replacing the sniderenfield, a muzzleloader converted to the cartridge system. The henry barrel does not have lands and grooves, it has peaks and flats. Discussion in handloading and reloading started by bpr, jul 31. Some history, reloading and testing of the modern take on the historical, paper patch cartridge with the martini henry. Good day members i am currently reloading paper patch cast bullets, 620 gn in weight for a martini henry rifle. I just measured an old martini coil brass case,the projectile had lost its paper patch. It combined the droppingblock action first developed by henry o.

Whitworth decided to paper patch his hexagonal slugs for his eponymous muzzleloading rifle and their appearance in cartridges sometime around approx. Precision cnc lathe bored custom bullet casting molds. The facts are that hiram berdan first utilized paper patch bullets starting in 1868. New brass or reformed brass 24ga from xring services. For use in the famous martini henry single shot falling block rifle. I used 2 cups of beeswax as 50%, 1 23 cups of crisco about 41% and cup of vegetable oil about 9%. Right now i feel like its just a normal, regular, ordinary scout weapon. After slugging the bore 3 times, i found that the bore measures 0. Have any of you heard used a heavy paper patch bullet of 620 gn shooting in a martini henry rifle, these bullets are bought from the. I have had good success using the lee 457450f bullet sized to. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. This type of bullet was very prevalent in the black powder cartridge.

The original martini henry bullets were also paper patched, as mentioned in part 1. Cast bullet engineering cast bullet moulds hand cast. Shooting a soft alloy will allow the bullet to obturate, or swell up into the rifling. Reloading 577450 paper patched martinihenry round youtube. Reloading 577450 rounds for my 1887 martinihenry, using 480grn lead bullet and 85 grns of black powder. The martini henry bore has a looooong tapered throat that goes from about. But could the hi tek coating do something nasty to the bore. Have any of you heard used a heavy paper patch bullet of 620 gn shooting in a martini henry rifle, these bullets are bought from the shelf.

Most of the paper patching of bullet articles i have read seem to indicate that the bullet should be of bore diam, rather than groove dia. I wet the paper with water, roll them, then let dry. Please order in the other features drop down box above. May 17, 2016 you can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00. The martini henry bore starts out larger and squeezes the bullet by the time it reaches the muzzle. Jun 24, 2017 i paper patch my martini henry bullets. Paper patch printed template british militaria forums. How i paper patch my 490 grain pure lead bullets for my 1887 martini henry rifle.

I would be concerned using trailboss since it is known for rapid pressure spikes although some mh shooters seem to get away with using it. Whether youre new or experienced at lead bullet casting, looking for a mould to suit your old 577450 martini henry, your smle 303 british, your martini 310 cadet or brand new rifle, handgun or shotgun, were sure youll find something so that you can cast your own quality, accurate lead bullets. When the paper dries it shrinks tight to the bullet. R 455420pp paper patch bullets for both the martini henry rifle and carbine. The original martini henry ammunition was loaded with dry patches but there was a beeswax disc below the bullet which coated the bore with wax on firing. Dec 24, 2016 i am loading for the 577 450 martini henry. He has now asked for some more, but all i currently have are patched to. Can anyone help me, i am looking for the printed template for mh paper patches i have seen int on the internet but i cant find it now i. Paper patched bullets were especially popular in europe, and was used in, for example, the british martinihenry rifle and mausers. The original martinihenry bullets were also paper patched, as mentioned in part 1. Roll bullet onto paper so patch will match barrel twist, should separate in flight 6. Bullets from buffalo arms, montana precision or get a mold and make your own. Perhaps the answer lies in the barrels used for shooting paper patched bullets.

Because of this, very few martini henry rifles will accurately fire the. Using black powder is now big deal, i have it, know how to use it, and know it works fine with paper patched bullets, but can i use smokeless powder with paper patched. One of the earlier attempts, which is still popular today with muzzle loaders and users of black powder rifles, prevents leading and obtains potentially better velocity and. I could put a paper patch on those to get them up to the requisite. Paper patched bullets were especially popular in europe, and was used in, for example, the british martini henry rifle and mausers infanteriegewehr mod. You can also watch as the paper patch comes off the bullet between the muzzle at 00. The martini henry is a breechloading singleshot leveractuated rifle that was used by the british army. In terms of rangecred it separates the seasoned campaigners from the newbies and says this guy is really into periodcorrect shooting. I have been trying to narrow down who exactly first conceived of using paper patch bullets in metallic cartridges as there is a huge gap between when sir jos. So i wanna know your thoughts about this so called martini henry fix. The bullet was the normal lead alloy carbine bullet weighing 410 grains but had a red paper patch with equidistant longitudinal thin black lines. That being said, if you want to shoot loads without a paper patch, the bullet generally needs to be between. This design is available as a basepour fixed weight design only.

Henry bullet was however identified as cylindroconoidal, no cavity, paper cap on base. May 23, 2018 the alternative is to dip the tip of the bullets in udder cream, i am not making this up, there is a devoted group of snider and martini henry shooters that swear by this method. The rifles were made by colt ironically as berdan was an engineer and not a manufacturer. This expanding catalog contains designs that are already on file. In december 1867 it was decided to extend the trials and between june and october 1868 barrels and ammunition by several makers were tested. The last one is just a bitza with a ruined bore which will soon be a 577 snider with a new walther barrel. I made some lube using the 50%, 40%, 10% formula of beeswax, crisco and vegetable oil. These molds are designed to fit lee six cavity handles. There are few things as attractive as a nice row of martinihenry 577450 bullets all lined up with their new crisp white.

Its a seven groove rifling, and had to adapt a dial indicator with a pointed probe to mount to my testex handheld base. New made solid brass bullet moulds in the jim goodwin pattern, single cavity 480. My martini henry mark ii has a fire formed neck inner diameter of 0. Further complicating the situation is the fact that the actual bore diameter of a martini henry rifle varies between models and even manufacturers. There is a great resource online, the british militaria forum has many very knowledgeable people that have posted information on every aspect of shooting old british. Mass produced bullet molds are designed with very conservative, minimal dimensions north of the crimp groove, so that they will chamber in the great variety of firearms out there. For use in the famous martinihenry single shot falling block rifle.

Some books say that you should not lube paper patched bullets but others say firing dry paper patched bullets down your bore will soon hone it out to a bigger calibre. The bores on both my mhs slug 461 and i use a 462x500gn bullet. These are loaded using swiss black powder, properly head stamped boxer primed brass and. As new designs are ordered, they are numbered and added here. To achieve accuracy a bullet with the diameter of at least. Choose a design from our catalog or submit your own custom design. Paper for paper patching 90 gsm paper, this a4 size paper is all cotton and suitable for paper patching bullets to shoot from the martini henry or snider, i use this in fire formed cases as new cases are to tight to get the bullets in. Wrap paper around two times to check length, ends of paper should just match up 3. Two wraps will increase the diameter of the paper patch bullet about. You can paper patch bullets to get that diameter or get a mold to cast grease groove bullets that large.

At the moment the only things i see that are wrong are that the bullets are 70gr lighter than the nominal 480 gr martini henry bullet, and the fact that they are powder. New aluminium bullet moulds from xring services in the usa, these are single cavity 500 gr. I plan to try paper patching some hollow base lead bullets designed for the 4570 round and shooting them in my martini henry carbine. You may choose from these designs, use one of these as a basis and specify modifications, or submit a completely custom drawing either electronically or by regular mail. The original loads used paper patched bullets and needed a big beeswax lube plug between card wads underneath it to keep the fouling soft and allow 250 shots between cleanings and acceptable accuracy. You can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00. Im getting my martini henry iv c pattern next week, so im looking for reloading materials. Jun 23, 2015 that being said, if you want to shoot loads without a paper patch, the bullet generally needs to be between. Btw, i contacted lee to see if they would consider making a mold for the martini if there is enough interest. These were recently recovered from a victorian military rifle range. It can handle soft and oversize bullets without major pressure issues. Right now it mosly makes 75 or 90 damage and it does not one shot the enemy like it was doing before the patch.

Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer. Martini henry variants were used throughout the british empire for 47 years. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. They wont shoot accurately in a martini henry unless they are paper patched, because the diameter is too small. The martinihenry is a breechloading singleshot leveractuated rifle that was used by the british army. Over on the martini henry forum they are talking about a cast bullet of. When shooting black powder it is best to keep the fouling moist so i lube my paper patched bullets. The original martinihenry ammunition was loaded with dry patches but there was a beeswax disc below the bullet which coated the bore with wax on firing. This is currently loaded obsolete black powder cartridge rifle ammunition for rifles chambered in 577450 martini henry chambering.

Ball rifle breechloading martini henry mark i, was made of coiled brass sheet. Of these the following used paper patch bullets with the boxer cartridge case. For a description of what a top punch is, please see our faq page. The barrel was however a metford, hence the designation lee metford, not lee enfield. Please note that this design is a tapered bullet design. Two wraps will increase the diameter of the paper patch bullet about 12 thou, depending on method of wrapping. Martyn offers a paper patched variant that is patched up to.

Martinihenry variants were used throughout the british empire for 47 years. The smooth sided bullet was paperpatched with a thick cake of beeswax below the bullet with two cardboard discs above and a single one below. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. Paper patched bullets were especially popular in europe, and was used in, for example, the british martinihenry rifle and mausers infanteriegewehr mod. A carbine round, thats the one with orange paper patch that one measured. The bullet im using is somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 grains that will have grease grooves instead of paper patch the paper is supposed to grip the rifling to help the bullet spin without leading the bore whereas the grease with a slightly larger diameter bullet does the same thing, followed by a cardboard wad, a grease cookie. From a military perspective, the paper patched bullets were not that popular in the usa, but they were extensively used among civilians. Martini henry paper patch bullets weight shooters forum.